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Andrew Monkhouse
Hanoi, Vietnam
Monday, September 13, 2010 21:51
Thomas Berry - local mill owner early 1900s?
Hello sleepy Suttonerís, thaís a quiet lot these days. Mebbe itís them iPod thingamajigs thatís distracting folks!

Anyway, Iím interested to know if anyone can cast any light on a former local mill owner by the name of Thomas Berry, probably ran his business during the late 1800s, early 1900s. If anyone knows where abouts his small mill was in Sutton or anything else about him or his business Iíd be very grateful Ė thanks.
Andrew Monkhouse
Hanoi, Vietnam
Tuesday, September 14, 2010 21:29
In the history section of this Sutton web site, thereís a section called ĎAn Owd Suttoner Looks Backí which was originally published in the Dalesman in 1954 and transcribed by Paul Longbottom. The following is an extract from the article:

ďOne road leading out of the village was known as t'Ellers. It was very steep and led to 'Sutton Stoop', a boundary stone on the hilltop, on to Goose Eye (Goise Ee) and from there to Haworth and the 'Bronte Country'. At the foot of t'Ellers was Gott Hill Farm, owned by Tommy Overton, while across the Beck was Sutton House surrounded by a large rookery known as 't'Craw Trees'.

Here in my early days lived Bill Ingham, a farmer and cattle dealer of good repute. At the foot of Gott Hill stood a building known as 't'Sizing House', a factory with a small chimney. This business of sizing warps was just another process in manufacture of woollens. The business had been prosperous but was now outmoded. I saw the chimney demolished and later a row of houses was built over the Beck.

Tom Berry was a keen bee-keeper and lived in 'Newmarket', a road which led to Sutton House, and later in a farm house a little nearer to 't'Town Gate'. John Berry, his son, was a noted breeder and exhibitor of silver spangled and silver pencilled Hambergs, breeds of poultry which seem to have become extinct, which is a pity, because they were most handsome birds. Here also in Newmarket lived Dick Petty a man with a catalogue memory for he seemed to remember everyone's birthday, in fact he was the Encyclopedia for the village.Ē

OK, can anybody tell me if Gott Hill Farm was the farm behind the Bay Horse, more recently known as Baxterís farm?

Also this Sizing House factory with a small chimney would appear to have been positioned where the row of houses called ĎOverburní has since been built over the beck across from the Bay Horse. Has anyone any idea who ran this small factory? Could this have been the factory run by Thomas Berry?

Lastly, can anyone tell me where abouts Newmarket is in Sutton. Is this an area or a row of houses? Any help offered would be greatly appreciated, thank you in advance.
Paul Wilkinson
webmaster
Wednesday, September 15, 2010 08:48
Hi Andrew

This 1850 map of Sutton shows Gott Hill with buildings that are presumably Gott Hill Farm, located behind the Bay Horse at the bottom of the Ellers.

The map also shows a worsted mill named "High Mill" located in what is now the Clough.

One thing that's always puzzled me about this map is the shown location of the Kings Arms Inn which is nowhere near the actual Kings Arms. A mistake on the map or did it used to be somewhere else?
Tony Ingham
Sutton
Wednesday, September 15, 2010 18:54
Hi Andrew
Cottages at Newmarket were pulled down to make way for the drive and lodges of Sutton Hall. (Will try to attach photo)!

Tony Ingham
Paul Longbottom
Sutton
Wednesday, September 15, 2010 20:57
Andrew/Paul

The original sizing house was on the site of the row of cottages just a little further up from Overburn. It was leased and run by Thomas Berry and had been for a very long time. By all accounts sizing houses were notoriously bad to be near due to the smells produced during processing. I have sent Paul a map dated 1887 which shows the sizing house and also Newmarket, hopefully he can put it on the site.
The High Mill shown on the 1st ed OS map in Sutton Clough was originally built as a cotton spinning mill during the 1780's but was soon adapted to spin worsted and had a succession of occupiers, including Peter Hartley before he moved to the Greenroyd site.
With regard to the Kings Arms, the map is correct, the original pub was sited in Longbottom Fold just off the top of the High Street. The proprietor, William Longbottom moved the business to the present site during the 1850's.
Andrew Monkhouse
Hanoi, Vietnam
Thursday, September 16, 2010 02:24
Great work fellaís, thatís answered all my queries very nicely.

Iíve been working with a dedicated team of researchers on one of the names on the WW1 memorial in the park, Pte. S. Lund. Four weeks ago nothing was known about this person, not even his Christian name, it seemed he was lost and forgotten.

Now we know he was Samuel Lund and have lots of information on him including some very poignant photos of him. In fact the only thing we donít know about Samuel Lund is his inside leg measurement and whether he used full cream or semi-skimmed milk on his Coco Pops.

Thomas Berry incidentally was Samuelís maternal grandfather, so it seems that Samuel was born into a bit of money

Iíve also learned that the original Kings Arms used to be just off the top of High Street Ė never knew that one!

Thanks again fellaís, including the Clerk to the Sutton Parish Council who provided information that the Dog & Gun in 1860 was run by John Berry who may have been related to Thomas.
Josie Walsh
Friday, September 17, 2010 15:20
Thomas & Mary Ann Berry appearr on the following Census with children
1861 just named as Sutton
1871 just names as Sutton
1881 living at Newmarket

Gravestone in St Thomas Churchyard
In Loving Memory of Mary Ann wife of Thomas Berry of Sutton
who died Sep 6th 1887 in the 69th year of her life
Also of Thomas Berry her husband
who died Sep 26th 1890 in the 71st year of his life



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