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Paul Wilkinson
webmaster
Thursday, November 6, 2008 12:10
NODISC campaign - MEETING

It has been suggested that a NODISC meeting be held in order to plan how the campaign moves forward.

Date, time and venue are yet to be decided.

If you are interested in attending and being an active NODISC campaigner, and consent to your email address being used to allow communication with other campaigners, please add a post to this thread.

Paul

Graham
Glusburn (ex Suttoner)
Thursday, November 6, 2008 12:26
i will be very interested in a meeting my email is
[email address removed]
Dawn
Sutton
Thursday, November 6, 2008 12:31
I would like to attend any meeting set up. My email address is
[email address removed]
Paul Wilkinson
webmaster
Thursday, November 6, 2008 12:35
Thanks, please note that you don't need to include your email address in the message, I can pick it up from the "Your email" box that's completed when submitting your post.

It's safer to not have email addresses displayed on web pages as they are at risk of being "harvested" and added to junk mailing lists.
Simon Garner
Thursday, November 6, 2008 15:58
I would like to attend the meeting.

Thanks
norma
Thursday, November 6, 2008 19:51
Please inform me of meeting dates and times.
Liz K
NODISC
Friday, November 7, 2008 07:24
Count me and Nev in. Pavillion seems a good place, 20 an hour not at all bad especially divided out amongst us all. Worth a small investment I reckon.
Basil
Friday, November 7, 2008 21:14
Hey guys please count me in.
Basil
Friday, November 7, 2008 21:30
if there are no other options for a meeting place then myself and my wonderful best friend Fil would like to invite you all to our home for a meet if required. I think we have enough room here and can make fantastic tea!!!

Let me know if anyone likes the idea.
Graham
Glusburn (ex Suttoner)
Saturday, November 8, 2008 11:20
basil
anywhere is ok with me. how you fixed for one sunday afternoon 23/30th november?
is everyone leaving messages on this thread ok for 23rd or 30th at either park pavillion or basil"s house
say 2pm?
i make it 6 names so far on this thread
webmaster
if you have everones emails could you send us all a mail with date of meeting and venue
many thanks
Graham
ps
if anyone is on "facebook" on the web i can be contacted under keep sutton. xhills and Glusburn as villages page which was set up by dawn and now as over 800 members
Joanne
Saturday, November 8, 2008 14:13
Hi there, count me in.
Basil
Sunday, November 9, 2008 01:59
Hey Graham, Im open to any idea for a meeting place I only offered my place because I think there might be a charge for the pavilion. My place is free to all! I was thinking of a meeting sooner than the 23rd especialy as I think the Green lanes appeal will be on the 14th if Im not mistaken. I spoke to Marcia Turner after the vote last weds and I think she told me it was then. Apparently there will be an inspector present who will listen to all sides of the issue and then go away and independently make a decision on the appeal. The Council will have no right to present any defence at this appeal but the public do have a right to state concerns. It has been suggested that we should present evidence for the inspector to consume including photographic and documented in any way shape or form that might help state the case for the Green lanes development to be dismissed entirely. Maybe a meet to discuss the possible evidence to be produced might be appropriate? Iwas hoping to do it ASAP, Id be up for Sunday 9th or maybe an evening this week maybe Monday or Tuesday? Paul , Dawn, were you there at the last meet at the school I did look for you guys but couldnt see you. Also Liz, were you there? Paul would you be kind enough to give my email adress to Graham and anyone else whos up for a meeting? Graham Id be honoured to talk to you in emails if thats cool?
Paul Wilkinson
webmaster
Sunday, November 9, 2008 12:51
A meeting has been arranged and details emailed to those who have signed up to this thread or contacted me directly.

If anyone else would like to be an active NODISC campaigner, please add a post to this thread.

Norma and Joanne - please contact me directly by email, thanks.

Paul
basil
Tuesday, November 11, 2008 02:36
Paul could you indicate how many people have agreed to go to the meeting you set up at the pavillion? Im interested to see how many campaigners there are.
Paul Wilkinson
webmaster
Tuesday, November 11, 2008 08:27
Hi Basil. I'd prefer not to discuss the meeting on the public forum which is being monitored by Craven District Council.
Ken
Sutton
Tuesday, November 11, 2008 14:52
Webmaster. I am sure CDC are monitoring this site and that is their right. They may or may not be interested in the following. As far as I can see, the development plan dates back to early 2007 and the property and financial markets have moved on. CDC need to take a less parochial view. In Sutton in Craven, there are developments at Greenroyd Mill and at the woodturners. BeckHomes have stopped work on the mill and have been unable to sell the vast majority of the properties on offer as a result of falls in perceived value and a tightening up of credit markets. I will not go into too much detail, as you can read it all in the press. I have no doubt that the houses at the woodturners will remain unsold. Looking further, but not much further afield, the development in Ilkley opposite Booths is unsold in spite of "massive price reductions". Magellan Housing, currently developing "luxury" properties in Denholme has gone into administration. They are "optimistic" about selling the development on, but I would not hold my breath. Taylor Wimpey and Barrett Homes are in a truly dire financial situation, Muir Homes, who I believe wish to build in Glusburn, I can only say that the accounts do not make good reading. Also, you may have seen in the national press that the banks will no longer lend to building companies for commercial or residential development. This article probably never made it into the Craven Herald. The question for CDC is, who on earth in their right mind will tender to build homes, when there are close on 100 empty in Sutton, hundreds in the surrounding area and upwards of a thousand in Leeds.There will be one thing worse than building more houses and that will be building houses that nobody wants, or can afford, to lay empty and be a blight on the landscape. Maybe there are other forces or vested interests at work.
John
Sutton
Tuesday, November 11, 2008 15:48
Where are these 100 empty houses in Sutton? And Paul will the minutes from the meeting be published on this site? There are many in Sutton who are interested in the future of our village but need the web access because it is difficult to attend meetings. If you are bothered about CDC set up a seperate section that is password protected that allows us in our own small way to participate.
Ken
Sutton
Tuesday, November 11, 2008 16:58
The empty houses in Sutton are being built as we speak on the 2 sites I referred to. There is virtually no prospect of these being sold. Even if there was any interest in them in a falling market, there is little or no prospect of obtaining funds to buy. Why build any more? Take a look at www.propertsnake.co.uk and you get some idea of the state of things. Looking at another aspect, where is the economic expansion in Leeds or anywhere else to cope with the expected influx of people. Maybe the financial services "industry". I think not.
John
Sutton
Tuesday, November 11, 2008 18:35
15 of those houses on Woodturners are affordable either for rent or reduced sale. They will not be empty. As for building more. People in Sutton on the housing list are on it because they need somewhere they can live and they are the reason we need more suitable housing. The problem in Leeds is because it was assumed everybody needed the same two bed flat. The problem in Sutton is that we are having too many 2 and 1 bed flats and houses built because the council followed the recommendations of the housing needs assessment 2005 which they now say is inaccurate. They knew it was inaccurate when it was done and still inflicted daft housing plans on us. Personally I feel that brings nothing but shame on the councillors involved!
basil
Tuesday, November 11, 2008 19:33
Paul I do not think it matters if the Council are monitoring or not. In fact if they can see that there is an active movement outside of their circles designed to keep them in check then this can only help to impress upon them the importance of all of their decisions being carefully considered with the peoples wishes in mind. Normaly Paul you would email me outside of the forum with any info you wished not to publish and since I note that you chose not to do this on this occaision I am wondering why? I do hope I have not offended you in any way? I would appreciate it if you would email this info so I know how much to allocate for the meetings costs. As I am sure others will too. If I am not mistaken the cost of the pavillion is 20 per hour ? I am surprised however that the pavillion couldnt be made available free of charge since it is for such a worthy cause effecting everyone locally. Who is in charge of the pavillion, who is making the charges?
Paul
webmaster
Tuesday, November 11, 2008 22:41
Hi Basil, sometimes life gets in the way!
Basil
Wednesday, November 12, 2008 09:54
Paul you didnt answer the most important question... have I offended you in some way?
Paul Wilkinson
webmaster
Wednesday, November 12, 2008 10:37
No Basil, I'm not offended. Slightly puzzled why you need to air all this on a public forum though. As far as the pavilion goes, it's a resource available to hire for meetings, parties etc. We've arranged a meeting, it's at the pavilion - that's all there is to it really.
basil
Wednesday, November 12, 2008 10:57
Paul, If you had emailed me after i requested the numbers of attendees rather than deliver a monosyllabic response publically as you did above, I may have responded privately. But Since you did it publically I continued in the manner YOU prescribed sir. I also was forced to confront the fact that there is an obvious change in the way you are communicating with me. Am I being unfair? I thin knot but please do educate me if I am wrong, I am always open to self improvement.
basil
Wednesday, November 12, 2008 11:00
Paul please could you inform me as I asked above who runs the pavillion please? Id like to approach them regarding the possibility of waving the costs for the nodisc meeting. I think that since we are all giving up our own free time to help the local community it is the least they can do to make space available and not exploit us. Wouldnt you agree? Many thanks.
Paul Wilkinson
webmaster
Wednesday, November 12, 2008 11:22
Basil, there's a link to the pavilion website on the links page. Personally I wouldn't expect anybody to do anything unless it was of their own volition. I don't see how anybody is being exploited.
Liz K
NODISC
Wednesday, November 12, 2008 11:33
Hi Basil - the cost of hiring the Pavillion is 20 per hour, which we hope people will agree to contribute to (the maximum the Pavillion can hold is 30, so if we had the maximum attendees it would be 67p each!), but if not Paul and I have already agreed to cover it. The money isn't an issue at this stage - its more important that we get together to discuss our next step.
The Pavillion is run by the Parish Council, and unfortunately, they are not able to let us have it FOC - this avenue has already been explored. The reason this venue was chosen was because it was fairly short notice, and other cheaper venues were already booked.
As stated before in previous threads, PLEASE don't lets squabble between us - we need a united front in order to fight this - it could be scarier than we think. Look forward to seeing you at the meeting.
Mr Bilbs
Sutton in Craven
Wednesday, November 12, 2008 12:27
Please count me in for the meeting (if you can email me once sorted). I also agree with Liz please stop fighting - we are just very passionate about this but lets not fight. I agree at this stage 20 is not an issue and it does go back into the community.
Dawn - Sutton Pavilion
Sutton
Wednesday, November 12, 2008 13:01
RE PAVILION

The pavilion is hired out by the Parish Council for anyone who wishes to use it for parties, meetings etc. As NODISC is, in effect, a small group of private individuals who would like to meet up, a fee would need to be paid as it would for anybody wanting to hire it. The Parish Council is in no way exploiting us, as I, as both a Parish Council employee and NODISC campaigner, took the booking and did not feel the need to request if for free from the Parish Council. The NODISC campaign is run completely separately from the Parish Council.
Basil
Sutton in Craven
Wednesday, November 12, 2008 15:51
I agree Mr Bilbs, money shouldnt be an issue here. ( hense my comment re pavillian costs) And I agree with you Liz also that unity is important. ( which is why I thought the parish council might do the right thing and waive the cost. It is very nice that you and Paul have agreed to cover the costs and of course I would be more than happy to do the same, but there is a principle here, No matter how you look at it, why should anyone pay anything? NODISC recently played a major part in protecting this parish with the growthpoint victory.) I am guessing that this is the same parish council that pursuaded Paul to censor my Lunds Tower post. grrrrrrr ! lol.
I guess I have a lot to learn about the way people conduct things here in Sutton. Maybe community spirit has some way to go before it is complete. By the way, whos squabbling? who? me? .... no way! I do not see any squabbling , I see an open and forthright discussion? in fact if the NODISC campaigners are to consolidate as a team then this stage is essential.... try googling
"storming" and the direct benefits in team building. I would suggest that if this team is to be as strong as it can be then we should allow the natural path of human disclosure to continue. It is very healthy indeed. I recently wen through a great storming session with the directors of Nettelics and now we are a very strong team indeed! Anyway guys , onto normal business.... I may have found a possible angle on complicating the appeal on Green Lanes. I have emailed some experts regarding my ideas and am awaiting replies but if im right there may be a good reason to ask the heritage department to block the planning. Il keep you posted on this. Also now, ( 16:49) I am going down to Green lanes and meeting Graham and will take photos and document all debatable issues in regards to the planning.
Dawn - Sutton Pavilion
Sutton
Wednesday, November 12, 2008 19:40
Could we please leave the Parish Council out of this debate. They were not involved in the booking of the pavilion and have not been, nor should they be, approached to waiver the fee. Everyone was asked where they would like to meet. We could have met when the pavilion was open, but it was preferred to do it at a time when it was closed. I hope that we will all share the cost, as it was agreed that we would when we chose to attend. This campaign is independent of the Parish Council.
basil
Sutton in Craven
Thursday, November 13, 2008 03:42
Dawn, where will the 20 end up if not with the parish council? If this is independent of the parish council then who exactly is making the charge? please do educate me.
Basil
Sutton in Craven
Thursday, November 13, 2008 03:50
Sorry Dawn, one more question, If you read above, Liz did in fact indicate that the parish council had been approached and that apparently it was not possible for them to waive the fee. If I am not totaly mistaken here and if Liz is correct too, doesnt this mean that the parish council HAVE in fact been involved at some stage? There seems to be conflicting info floating around. Maybe you can set the record straight here?
Dawn - Sutton Pavilion
Sutton
Thursday, November 13, 2008 08:55
Hi Basil, I do not wish to continue with topic via the forum as it is taking up too much space. However, if you are attending Sunday's meeting, (and I do hope that you do!) I will gladly answer all your questions there and hopefully "put the record straight".
Paul Wilkinson
webmaster
Thursday, November 13, 2008 08:59
Basil, I can't see any "conflicting info floating around". The pavilion is available to hire for meetings, we've hired it. It is irrelevant who runs the venue. Please let it go.
Liz K
NODISC
Thursday, November 13, 2008 09:04
Basil - the Parish Council were not directly approached about waivering the fee, my post above refers to the availability/booking procedure. There logically has to be a fee as the costs of opening the Pavillion, etc have to be covered. 20 is a mere nothing in the scheme of things. Forget the charge, lets get on with the campaign. Best Regards, Liz
Sutton Parish Council
Thursday, November 13, 2008 09:15
Many indviduals, groups, parties etc. have booked the Pavilion all for causes important to them and paid. It would be grossly unfair to those people to waiver this fee. The Council is fully aware of the NODISC contribution to the housing proposals and the same of other residents and are grateful for help in preserving the identity of our village. The Pavilion is a non-profit making facility, employing six part time employees. All the money raised goes to purely covering overheads to enable the Pavilion to remain open in the summer and hopefully gradually extending its hours in the winter. We have many requests throughout the year and strive to treat everyone equally.
Tim
glusburn
Thursday, November 13, 2008 10:10
I would like my name added to list
Basil
Sutton in Craven
Thursday, November 13, 2008 12:53
Paul, there clearly was a conflict of info however Liz and Dawn have clarified it now to some extent. I was merely emphasising the principle of true community spirit not being entirely complete. I have always been an idealist and unfortunately my idea of a perfect world is often out of sync with reality. If there is any time to discuss this at the meeting then i'd be happy to do so however people's positions seem clear and i guess we have to agree to disagree.

Id like to bring everyones attention to something a bit more interesting, if you go to google maps and take a look at the satellite images of the green lane development site, you can clearly see at the top end of the site a light coloured oval/circular shape covering approximately 50 - 100 sq metres. The shape runs through a dwelling and back onto the site. I have taken advice from geo physicists and have consulted a friendly member of the council and it would appear that if this is in fact evidence of either a barrow or an ancient settlement then there is a possibility that an objection to the development could be made through the heritage department by declaring the site as being of archaeological interest. Its a long shot and i dont even know at this stage if this has even been noticed before. If it hasnt then of course it might very well be useful. Today I will contact North Yorkshire county council at Allerton who are responsible for archaeoligical issues locally to see if i can get extra information. Any extra insight/ideas would be most welcome on this.
Paul Wilkinson
webmaster
Thursday, November 13, 2008 13:53
Basil, I hope you are correct but have you considered that it may be tracks left by farm vehicles as they go through the gaps in the walls between fields?
Basil
Sutton in Craven
Thursday, November 13, 2008 15:00
lol!! Paul, very perceptive on this occaision! you may well be correct about that. I actualy missed the gaps in the walls. When I zoom right in I can definitley see gaps in the walls. what a shame, i thought i was definitely onto something there. But then why would a tractor go around in circles like that?
basil
Sutton in Craven
Thursday, November 13, 2008 15:07
Graham sent me this in email I thought you mig♠,ht like to see it if you have not already.....

http://www.cravendc.gov.uk/Craven/News/posting392.htm

I have contacted the person listed at the inspectorate and she was very helpful in explaining the process of the appeals officers responsibilities. She als ogave me a very helpful link to an organisation called "Planningaid" this is a charity that helps directly with planning issues. I have arranged for the case worker to contact me on Friday and he will have a quick chat to establish if we are eligible for help. Apparently they are extremely knowledgable in regards to planning law and loopholes. Apparently the gentleman who is leading the appeal on the 16th is a guy called Joe Steel and I understand he is very adept at finding loopholes and technicalities in order to get appeals through. I am hoping that planning aid may be able to help us find a few of our own.
here is a link to planning aid for those interested.

http://www.planningaid.rtpi.org.uk/bfora/systems/xmlviewer/default.asp?arg=DS_PLAID_ABOUTART_103/_firsttitle.xsl/9



Paul Wilkinson
webmaster
Thursday, November 13, 2008 15:27
Tractors usually tow farming equipment and would have to approach the gap at more or less 90°, then sweep round in a curve to approach the next gap at 90°,.

We'll have to agree to disagree about your implication that I'm not usually perceptive - there are many things I am not, but perceptive isn't one of them.
Yvonne
Sutton
Thursday, November 13, 2008 19:25
Dear Basil,
I refer to your comments 12th November ( 2nd part ).
I personally feel the community spirit in Sutton is just fine as it is!!!!
Kind regards and full of community spirit,
Yvonne.
Basil
Sutton in Craven
Thursday, November 13, 2008 23:45
Yvonne, there is of course much community spirit in Sutton, I was just spitting the dummy over the pavillion costs. In my way of thinking if community spirit was complete then maybe the pavillion would have been made available for free. However I have since learned that there are strict rules and guidelines and that the parish council does like to adear to them closely. I can certainly see that favoritism for any one organisation could lead to further issues in future bookings. I have met many warm and friendly people here in Sutton and I love the community spirit I have encountered to date! I certainly do have a lot to learn about the way a village like Sutton operates, but I am trying hard to learn fast. I hope you can all help me with warmth, respect, acceptance and tolerence. Additionaly if anyone has any comments on how I can best fit in around these parts then please do email me. ( Webmaster has my permission to forward my adress.)
basil
Sutton in Craven
Friday, November 14, 2008 18:38
Paul I just saw your extra comment about perception. I wasnt trying to slate you there, i was saying "on this occaision" because like all other humans ,( me included ) sometimes we get things wrong (as was proven last night when you mis understood my email.)
I was merely giving you the respect for being human, none of us go through life without the occaisional lapse of perception. none of us are perfect ... and if you actualy are then please do share your secret !!
Murgy
Sutton In Craven
Friday, November 14, 2008 21:48
Basil, why do I find your attitude so annoying. As a fellow Suttoner I would like to let you know that we do all have concerns regarding the long term preservation of the village and surrounding areas, However I am getting tired of suffering your points of view and your bullyish nature by which you put it accross. This forum used to be quite interesting, However I feel that unless it has less of a focus on your points of view and more of that of the community as a whole then you will be turning people away from it. I did meet you and sat with you at the meeting at South Craven School when you gave my 86 year old grandfather a lecture on everything SUTTON and he was politely unamused by your enthusiasm. Basil I don't care how great you are, and how many amazing things you're involved in, and how you have your own agenda for the way Sutton deals with it's future. Just drop your Bullyish nature it doesn't help! Be constructive but with more appeal.
Yvonne
Sutton
Sunday, November 16, 2008 10:50
Hi,
Basil - you could best be described as Marmite - people either love you or they don't.
I personally don't mind a bit of marmite, but only in small quantities and then only when accompanied by some nice bread ;-)
May I advise you to check what you have written before entering the 4 digit security code. It is without doubt there are some sensitive people about ( me included ) and don't like how this website is missing the important points of village life and being used as a ranting website.
Murgy - you remind me of a glass of wine - just what people need at the end of a long hard day ;-)
Time we all sat back, chilled out and started putting all things happy on this website.
'Tis the season to be jolly la la la la la la!?!
P.s
Paul - please block all grumpy and nit picky irrelevant comments - Thanks!!!!
John Daley
Sutton in Craven
Sunday, November 16, 2008 13:30
I would be very interested in attending meetings.
Mel
Ravenstone Gardens, Sutton-in-Craven
Sunday, November 16, 2008 17:31
To John Daley. Thank the Lord common sense may prevail at last. To Murgh, my sincere regards to your Grandfather. To Yvonne, we've heard the following statement before, but here here lass!!!


To Geoff Happs, sorry lad, but as I've said earlier Amy Marchant did not live at No1 Harker Street until at least the nineteen sixties, she lived at No1 Well Street. The houses were back to back.

To the village Committee, come on get the lights up.
Graham
Glusburn (ex Suttoner)
Sunday, November 16, 2008 20:28
enjoyed the meeting in the pavillion today and putting faces to names
some very constructive and interesting points were raised
well done all concerned
Dawn
Sutton
Monday, November 17, 2008 13:50
Just been browsing and came across this village website in Thanet, it looks uncannily like ours!!

Webmaster, I hope the link works, if not let me know!! Dawn

birchington.blogspot.com/2008/01/help-save-pegwell-from-over-development.html
steve
Monday, November 17, 2008 17:24
hey people show some love for basil play nice .HE'S A LEGEND
MP - Oz
Melbourne, Australia
Tuesday, November 18, 2008 11:08
Thank goodness common sense has prevailed at last, was just about to send $50 to cover the cost of hiring the Pavilion.
'Onwards and Upwards' Good luck!!
Graham Wild
Tuesday, November 18, 2008 11:33
Hey guys, looks like the friction is still visible for all to see. As i see it from a crosshills point of view, this isnt a sutton, or a crosshills issue it is a craven issue where we all need to pull TOGETHER. If as you think CDC are monitoring
, they will be laughing at all the fractions going on. Come on people lets not fall out and petty squabble (thats what is is basil not storming, and yes i have googled it, done a course on it etc). I would like to be involved in the meetings as the plan included 500 houses by my back garden, but unfortunately sunday's are not a good time for me. So web master i would be obliged if you could email me the general points of whats discussed, then hopefully i can get to a meeting sometime.
Rememeber a united front is a strong front.
John
Sutton
Tuesday, November 18, 2008 15:40
There are quite a lot of us that want to be involved that can't attend meetings,(in my case because of disability) but can help in other ways by signing online petitions and writing to MPs and ministers and searching online for relevent info. As I suggested before why not have a seperate section that is password protected for NODISC. There are 3000 people in Sutton alone that's a lot of e-mails.

Paul Wilkinson
webmaster
Tuesday, November 18, 2008 16:16
Hi John. The intention in asking for people to sign up to this thread wasn't to exclude any residents but to (a) not announce everything that's happening to CDC and (b) gain permission from posters to allow their email address to be passed on to other NODISC campaigners. It's possible to set up a private area on the site but then there are issues with distributing the password and keeping it secure. In future, details of meetings will be announced here, on the NODISC site and on noticeboards in the villages, as will relevant outcomes from any meetings.
John
Sutton
Tuesday, November 18, 2008 19:38
Hi. I see your point and yes CDC can be naughty.

What about setting NODISC up as a group on Yahoo like freecycle do, maybe with members taking turns to moderate? The checks to allow members to join are normally done at the beginning making a password redundant.

As an example of its effectiveness, I'm the member of a group specifically for my illness and it works well, allowing us all to chat and building up a huge knowledge base that has just been used to take our case to parliament.

Paul Wilkinson
webmaster
Wednesday, November 19, 2008 08:18
Hi John - yes, a Yahoo group is a very good idea.
Dawn
Sutton
Wednesday, November 19, 2008 12:10
MESSAGE FOR LIZ K:

I appear to be having trouble sending you emails Liz, they keep bouncing back. I have tried .co.uk and .com but to no avail. Please don't think I haven't sent anything to you. Could you please email me again and I will try sending another reply. Dawn
basil
Sutton in Craven
Wednesday, November 19, 2008 19:14
Hey Murgh,, It was very nice indeed to meet your Grandfather at the school. I admired his warm gentle temprement and answered all of his questions as completely as I could. He seemed to want to know a lot of information like who the people were on the commitee and he particularl asked me about the history of the issues at hand. I did try to inform him as much as I possibly could.
Please do tell him that I said hello and please do apologise for me if I in anyway over talked. I am surprised at what you said there as I sensed absolutely no indication from him that I was out of line, in fact I thought we got on extremely well. The only time I have ever been less than polite is when people either treat me with less respect than I would normaly expect from a stranger or if they are trying to control me in some way. Your grandfather did neither, he was a wonderful gentlemen.


Steve .....Thanks for the positive comment sir!!! Your on my christmas list!!
basil
Sutton in Craven
Wednesday, November 19, 2008 19:17
John,

If you ask the webmaster for my email and contact me directly I would be very happy indeed to offer you transportation to any of the meetings. That is if it can work for you.
Basil
Sutton
Thursday, November 20, 2008 10:20
Basil that's a lovely offer. The problem is the condition I have doesn't just affect my mobility. Sitting through a meeting would leave me ill the day and probably the next few days after. Hence I'm using the internet and being a bit pushy for an online group. I can't do a lot physically for the group, I can when I feel ok offer suggestions hopefully some that might be useful.

Basil
Sutton in Craven
Monday, November 24, 2008 19:04
dearest john
sorry to hear about your problems physically,i have a few of my own being a 29stone slow moving mammal with dodgy knees and a dicky heart!
i think the discussions in this forum should keep you busy for a while, if you do get brave and wish to venture out just let me know
regards Basil
Graham
Glusburn (ex Suttoner)
Tuesday, November 25, 2008 16:53
Excellent document sent into the planning inspectorate today
many thanks to all NODISC campaigners involved
well put together and thought out.
regards Graham
ps
Great to see what good team work can do on an issue
a BIG thanks to all involved



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