Village Web Site Forum

Valerie Whittingham
Sunday, March 9, 2008 04:23
Air Raid WardensCirca1940
I have so longed to find someone in the photo gallery who I recognised and low and behold there is my grandfather Joshua Valentine Clough on the back row right hand side with all the Air Raid Wardens. Also he is in the photo of the Bairstow's trip to Scotland in 1938.
I also loved the around Sutton in the 1960, the picture taken in front of St Thomas's Hall was taken from inside the front gate of the house we used to live in at 60 Main Street. The Farm was next door and he used to deliver the milk with a horse and cart. Wasn't there a little shoe shop near the fish & chip shop? Has anyone any photos of Main Street It would be lovely to see them.
Barbara Chapman
Sunday, March 9, 2008 17:29
Valerie, If you scroll down in the Gallery until you find the photo of the Maypole Dancers and click on that, there are other photos there two of which show the Main Street in the early 60's with the Sutton Mill Co-op, Farm barn, Mill chimney and Hostel still in situ, also an earlier one of Victoria Street. In Doris Riley's book 'Owd Settings' there is a photo of the Barn being demolished in 1973 and parts of the hostel were pulled down and made into bungelows in 1964. I don't know which shoe shop you remember, but my Dad had a cobbler's shop up Albert Street from about 1947, Ellie Preston had one at the top of North Street and his wife had a shoe shop for a time at the bottom left of Victoria Street.
Valerie Whittingham
Saturday, March 15, 2008 04:13
re Shoe shop
Barbara, thank you so much for pointing me in the direction of the photo's of Main Street. I'm not really sure where the shoe shop was I think my memory sometimes plays tricks on me. I have tried to find some up to date photo's of sutton Main Street, but to no avail. I have anothe question for anyone that has the answer why did they cut down those lovely trees in sutton park? It looks so barren whithout them, what are they going to put in thier place.
Saturday, March 15, 2008 15:58
Are you thinking of the cobbler's shop in Gordon? Street opposite the post box? een as I type I seem to remember a shoe shop in the main street opposite Smiths bakery. Memory plays silly tricks but I have no doubt someone from the present members of the Sutton Community or the ex pats brigade will correct me. I hope so. Some while ago I was asked by my grandson to list the shops in Main Street from the fish shop near the well to the top of the village at the entrance to West Lane. Where have they all gone? I made most of them but I have no doubt that I forgot one or two. Best of luck with the search.
Regarding your question about the trees. Scroll back down the forum, you will find several articles about this subject.
Valerie Whittingham
Sunday, March 16, 2008 02:57
I'm not sure now about the shoe shop, I can picture it in my minds eye, and I always thought it was down a bit further than the co-op on the other side of the street. I lived at 60 Main Street until I was ten in 1954, I was a Stevenson then and attended St Thomas's Church School Mr Broughton was headmaster at that time, our next door neighbour was Mrs Hargreaves, its funny I can see her quite clearly but not where the blessed shoe shop was. but the shoe shop is so vivid in my memory because it was there we bought my first pair of slip on shoes they were the last pair in the shop they were too tight for me but I squeezed into them and have suffered ever since!
jack morrison
Sunday, March 16, 2008 12:12

hey valerie i think the shoe shop was in horsefalls the painters was or across from
sturdy the butchers if i remenber right it was ellie prestons the cobblers wife who opened the shop
hope this can help jack morrison
Kevin Bainbridge
Sunday, March 16, 2008 13:23
Valerie - I'm pretty sure that the shoe shop you remember was at the bottom of Albert Street facing Willie Sturdy's butcher's shop. I remember my gran taking me in there - it would have been in the mid 1950's - & even then it seemed to me to be a pretty old fashioned place. The shop a little further up the village, opposite the bakers was a painter & decorator's shop by the name of Horsefall run by 3 brothers I think. Sometime in the 60s it passed on to Ellie Preston's wife who ran it as a shoe shop.
Sunday, March 16, 2008 16:34
I was not sure who had the farm when you lived in Sutton. You have now confirmed that the family Hargreaves were there. They were my Uncle and Aunt, Mrs. Mary Hargreaves being my mother's twin sister. They moved many years ago to a farm up on the hillside above Settle, selling the farm to Frank Ingham. John Hargeaves, their son, died about eight years ago in Giggleswick, having left the farm some years before. His wife Freda, was the musical director of the Sutton Amateurs for many years. John became very involved in village life in Giggleswick and was Chairman of the Parish Council at the time of his death.
All this from asking about Main Street. I am sure that there must be numerous photographs of the village about if you ask. I have one or two and if you can wait a while longer, I shall no doubt be visiting the village again in the not too distant future. I will get in touch if I take any more.
Neil Palfreman
Sutton in Craven
Tuesday, March 18, 2008 20:30

This debate about the cobbler's shop(s) has prompted me to think about the
disappearance of so many retail outlets in the village since the1950's.
Ellie Preston had the cobblers & clogmakers in the small building at the top of
North Street, which he ran with his brother Wilf, they later moved down Main
Street at the bottom of Albert St. Mrs. Preston took over Horsfall's decorators
which she ran as a Shoe shop. Barbara Chapman's father had the cobblers half
way up the left hand side of Albert St.
At the end of the 2nd world war, both Sutton & Sutton Mill had quite a variety of
shops. In the High St. there was the top Coop, Fred Morrell had a Greengrocers
at Towngate, and then had a mobile shop which Bob Ridsdale ran for many years.
Sylvia Gill (nee Snooks) had a general stores at the top of High St. Lower down
came Tim Pighills the Butcher, Stirks Bakers, Jenny Overends Haberdashery &
above her shop was Albert Overend the Tailor, I'm not sure what relation they
were. At the bottom of High St. was Ivan Spences greengrocers, he also had a
shop in Steeton, later it was Mrs. Cox's. Opposite this was Florists for a while.
There was a sweet shop on Crag View as well
Down Holme Lane below the Park was Polly Ogdens, next door was Bernard
Shuttleworths Decorators, which later became Luigis. What is now the Italian
take-away was Fred Bottomleys Plumbers, he then moved to the building which
houses the new Fish shop & Seymours opened a Bakery. During the war the new
Fish shop was Alan Wades Butchers.
Working up Main St. there was the Chip shop at bottom. The co-op was a busy
place before the advent of Supermarkets. The grocery dept was managed by
Cyril Midgeley, the drapers by Miss Maggie Whitaker. Eric Seward was in charge
of greengrocery & wet fish, & Chris Martin was the butcher. (no not Gwyneth
Paltrows husband) Opposite the co-op Mr Humphreys had a sweet shop in a row
of houses that disappeared years ago. Sturdy's Butchers later became Jimmy
Todds. On the same side Lizzie Parker had a greengrocers & husband Martin had
a Plumbers next door, then came Day's bakers later Millers. Places was then
Holmes's known locally as the Baptist Arms, supposedly the Baptist congregation
used the back door to avoid being seen buying alcohol. Next door to the Post
Office was Mrs Cravens sweetshop, previously Alex Henderson's. Below the chemists Roy Filkins Grandma had another sweet shop in the house where Roy
now lives. There was another one down Gordon St. owned by Mrs. Bancroft I
think it was about No. 32, Suttoners must have a sweet tooth! Arthur Hardaker
opened his shop later ( now the Family Pantry) and Nevilles greengrocers opened
& closed next to Mulloys. Down North St. what is now Helen's (Solo) hairdressers
was Hopkinsons later Wagstaffes fish & chip shop.
No doubt my memory has played tricks and some one will pinpoint errors and
omissions, but it emphasises the changing face of the village .With the new
housing at the Lagshop & Hartleys , Sutton has become a dormitory village

Andrew Monkhouse
Tuesday, March 18, 2008 22:42
Neil Palfreman, my favourite landlord at the Junction pub when I was 17 ! Your daughter Debra & I were in the same class at Sutton primary school.

Great recall of the village shops Neil. I was trying to work out from your description which was John Roberts shop, would that be the Baptist Arms ? I too used to buy my Woodpecker cider from there on a Saturday afternoon when I was 14 using my paper round money, guzzle it in the bottom park shelter and smoke a couple of singles (No 10) purchased from Arthur Hardaker. I was just too cool back then (not !)

Jaqueline Pickles was also in my class at school in the 60s and her father used to have a confectionary shop. If you walk along North Rd around the back of the Kings Arms and keep going, eventually you walk along side a row of terraced houses on the right hand side before you hit the top of Hazel Grove. Pickles sweet shop was the end gable house. It subsequently closed around 1970 and has long since been converted back to a domestic dwelling.
kevin mcvay
Wednesday, March 19, 2008 08:52
aaaaaaaaaaaah! all those shops bringing back memories for me. As a thirteen year old growingup in bridge rd i can remember mum sending me on errands to most of those shops mentioned, especially pollie ogdens, pass't library, 'rount corner & next ta freds t'plumber. Also get onta bike and get ya dads shoes up ta prestons top'a north street. I also remember last minute shopping at roberts' groceries and calling in millers bakery for that rhubarb or strawberry pie before heading home. Also which fish shop to use for friday's lunch? either way bottom one or top one was same distance away for me to collect on my bike (raleigh of course) bought one christmas from crosshills, where every saturday i would spend my hard earned pocket money on an Airfix plastic model airplane or boat. I digress, sorry, the red wine is starting to kick in, it is 8-30 over here in oz) usually it was from the top one (ivan spencer had it i think, who was a friend of the family)but they were both on par with one another for taste. I can also remember the chocolate machines outside mrs cravens sweet shop next to siddles post office which if you were lucky on hot summers day's, you could get TWO bars instead of one, yeh they were a bit melted, but who cared! i, like Andrew Monkhouse, and most of the village kids of that era, and my friends, also used to buy cigerettes from arthur hardakers 'cause he would sell you one or two, as you needed them and we would all head up to the top bus shelter to smoke them, in case any of your mum and dads friends happened by and spotted you. Foolish action indeed when most of them went to the black bull, white horse or the kings arms!!! Having been away from sutton since we emigrated in 1969 its great to reminiss. i finished my teenage years growing up in Sydney , Australia and having been back in 2000 for the first time since we left, and walking around the village i was just awestruck about how small the village really was, but seen thru the eyes of a small boy i can, from the bottom of my heart, truly say i wish every one could experience the wonders of growing up in a friendly Yorkshire village community. Due back in summer 2009 i hope this time i take time to catch up with those memories that mean most to me
Neil Palfreman
Sutton in Craven
Wednesday, March 19, 2008 12:23

Further to my contribution yesterday I have been informed that the shop on
Crag View was Willis's & Humphreys shop was on Tetley Row
I have realised I have made one glaring omission, David Coleman's chip shop
behind the Kings Arms. you could get a pennorth of chips & a haporth of scraps,
the bits of batter he used to sieve out of the fish frier.
Thanks for the compliment Andrew, but if I'd known you were only seventeen,
you wouldn't have been served!!!
Wednesday, March 19, 2008 18:20
Hello Neil,
I told you I would get you interested.Was it the holiday in Spain that got you warmed up? What about the top Co-op and Willie Inghams shop opposite. One that everybody seems to want to ignore a being within the Sutton boundary is the Dog and Gun public house.Surprising just how many shops and businesses have gone. I went over and over the list before giving my grandson mine for his school project and even then I must have missed half of them out. I have learned something from this, I was not aware that someone called Pickles had taken the sweet shop in Crag View. I always thought that when Mr. and Mrs. willis moved that the shop had closed. You refer to Sutton now being a dormitory village. I took a walk down Main street this afternoon and was surprised at the changes that have taken place that I never have noticed. Many happy memories though and it still has a lot going for it.
Andrew Monkhouse
Thursday, March 20, 2008 01:43
Yes Kevin, Arthur Hardaker was a top bloke. I used to pass his shop on the way to school and call in for my breakfast, a couple of chocolate bars and a single cigarette to kick start the brain ready for the first lesson.

Arthur was a big strong bugger and he had a couple of cast-iron oversized grappling irons for hands. He used to clench his fist and this ‘duck egg’ (as he called it) would protrude from between his thumb and first finger. The dare was then on to place your hand in his and request a bone-crushing hand squeeze ranging in intensity from 1 – 4.

A number 1 squeeze was painful enough and I occasionally used to grit my teeth and request a number 2. God only knows what a number 4 entailed. Out of all the kids that I saw ‘take the challenge’ nobody ever got past a number 3 ! But it made our day, it was then time to buy a single and trot off to school.

I’d forgotten about the vending machines outside Mrs Craven’s sweet shop. One of them sold cigarettes and yes, what a bonus when the chocolate machine spat out 2 bars !

Neil, at the Junc’ you used to serve the best pint of blue in the district, thank goodness my ‘Malcolm McDonald’ side-burns and moustache disguised my true age !
Valerie Whittingham
Thursday, March 20, 2008 08:33
I have been thrilled with the response to my query about the shoe shop, It has been fascinating reading every ones memories, does anyone remember the sweet shop by the council school,the one by the beck, you walked in and before your eyes were all the rows of jars full of the most glorious sweets you never see any more. Mind I would not see them from where I am living in Queensland Australia. Reading Niel's letter I can now see more of Sutton in my minds eye. and yes it was a great place to grow up, the local bobby was allowed to give you a clip around the ear and send you home. It has made me remember so many things of my childhood little things like hay making, things that sadly the kids of today will never have the pleasure of doing. Also the penny ice lollies we used to get at the little shop in the park.
Paul Wilkinson
Thursday, March 20, 2008 08:56
Hi Valerie. Have you looked at the cine clips from 1959 that are in the gallery? The first video starts off showing Holme Lane but after about 57 seconds cuts to Main Street, the camera being positioned opposite the now demolished Lower Laithe Farm and showing the houses on either side. Towards the end of the clip you can see what I think would be your house (with a green door), as the camera pans up the street.
Valerie Whittingham
Saturday, March 22, 2008 02:17
Hi to the webmaster. I looked at the clips and found them really interesting. Yes I saw 60 Main Street with the green door, the house next to it with the blue door was where Mrs Hargreaves lived, I believe some one earlier was interested. I also think I caught a glimpse of my grandma Sarah Anne Clough, I ran it through several times and I'm sure it was her, that was a lovely surprise. So thank you for pointing me in that direction.
I enjoy the Sutton site it's full of many interesting things, many thanks.
Saturday, March 22, 2008 11:38
I have asked the webmaster to provide you with my e mail address. Reason being that I have been over and taken several photos of the Main Street and one or two of 60. (It is up for sale if you are thinking of returning.) Please get in touch if you want them sending.
Valerie Whittingham
Saturday, March 22, 2008 23:42
Thank you Alan that would be great I will be in touch with the Webmaster, sadly don't think I will be able to get Sutton so the photos would be great.
David Town
Tuesday, March 25, 2008 20:54
The Sutton in Craven website has been drawn to my attention by my children who told me of photographs on which I appear and needless to say I have been fascinated by the whole contents of the website. Neil Palfreman did a wonderful job in listing all the shops that onced graced the village and having been brought up in the Sutton Mill end I have happy memories of the vibrant life that revolved round the Mill,Co-op, Institute and cricket field not forgetting the wonderful countryside for us youngsters to roam without any fear of being apprehended as is the sad case to-day.There are several photographs which given time to study in more depth, faces will register and stimulate more interest and memories of growing up in Sutton during the 50/60's. I have already posted names of Sutton CP school football team from 1957/58 from a photo supplied by Jackie Morrison who I believed left Sutton about 1965/66 to return to his fathers native Scotland.
Paul Wilkinson
Tuesday, March 25, 2008 21:22
Hi David and welcome to the site. Please feel free to share any memories here on the forum.
david dryden
Wednesday, June 18, 2008 04:55
hi valerie david her, see all the cousins we have ,lots we did not kowe we had look on my site im glad you put me on to this david
David Dryden oz
Friday, August 15, 2008 04:43
hi i have been going throue all the notes of sutton that every one as put out there i can remember all them ,at xmass id go rouned caroll singing and spend it at hardakers shop for xmass presants, i lived at harker st we had to go downe the back lane to go to the tut sum nights it was cold siting there and when my dad came home from work he,d take us to the bathes were you went downe under neath were there was those big bath tubs weed take a short cut throue the ally way at the coop,and what about the hall up from the old fish shop and phone box we had some god times in there and downe to watch a good game of cricket at the week ends and wait for the man to come and light the street lights thats when thay were still on gas David oz
Paul Wilkinson
Saturday, April 4, 2009 15:27
Following on from Neil Palfreman's comment on the list of shops thread, I'm bumping this to the top to save having to search for it. Paul

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